I also hunted with Serpintine Valley Outfitters me and my buddy both shot bulls 35-38'' wide but would not recomend them again that hunt was in 2005. Oct 2008 going back to NF for moose with Portland Creek Outfitters. The number of moose you see in a week is any where from 50-100!!! Great hunt for the price you can hunt NF 3 times for the price of one alaskan hunt but you do give up a little size. Portland Creek takes many bulls over 50'' every year Serpintine Valley just want you to get your bull so they can go home.